Transcript 27- Maya

"I think that like the community... the people I met in treatment were incredible. Um, and I'm still friends with some of them. Um, but it's like... making friends in a treatment setting is really kind of hard because you all recover at different rates. So like, when I was doing really well, some of my friends weren't. And like that's when you need to make the decision, do I want to keep this person in my life and potentially have it affect my recovery or do I want to cut this person out because they're bringing me down and like... I did have to... cut some people out of my life because they weren't getting better and it wasn't helping me. And that's like a really hard thing to do and it feels like betrayal on my end, like to that person." 

Transcript 26- Cass

"So there was definitely this feeling that like... right, there's... there's sort of like the idea of like this like platonic man as like macho meat eater, easy to get into fights, probably does something blue collar, um, like... will bury their emotions until they die. Um, and then there's sort of like... how men actually are in practice, which is like... just them but like... colored by some of those things sometimes. Like you can't not be defined on or against that. Um, and so...you know, there... there was definitely a period of time being like, "all right, how can I like, carve out a space of masculinity for myself that like doesn't need to sort of like, make room for... for... for like these things that I don't really like... want to even kind of interact with?" Um, and like... at first it felt like a selfish thing. Like, "oh no, like I'm a man, I still need to address the ways in which men are shitty because I'm a man and men are shitty". Um, but as I sort of... as it went on, I was like, "oh no, it's not quite that simple". "